Will the 360 end up being the new Dreamcast?


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WOPR
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Whoah there, calm down. I'm just starting to see some parallels here between the 360 and DC. Now that MS have lost the plot with the Elite I'm starting to think that maybe it will lose it's lead rather quickly. The lack of standard hard drive, the storage limitations of DVD and the reliaibility issues just seem like too many negatives to me for the long term. I can also see them dumping the 360 quite quickly like they did with the last one and always being out of sync with the other 2 contenders.

Oh I dunno, I'm rambling because I've been up since stupid o'clock.
#1 at 10:04:56 - 28/03/2007
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It won't become the new Dreamcast (which was pretty much dead after 18 months, remember), but Microsoft seem to have well and truly lost their way with it.
#2 at 10:21:20 - 28/03/2007
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The difference in this situation is the cost of the PS3- no matter what MS do, it's still far too expensive and people wont buy it for that reason.

I spent a couple of hours playing on one round Harry's the other day and apart from being very quiet, it's irritating. The 6axis feels far too light and my fingers kept on slipping off the triggers and sticks.

VF5 was fun but didn't look any better than the latest DOA. And rather bafflingly, MI:3 came on 2 bluray disks O_o (although it did has 5.1 in french and german which might have accounted for it).

All in all we were both glad no one had parted with 425 for it.
#3 at 10:24:16 - 28/03/2007
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I think MS have too much money for the 360 to become the next dreamcast.

They'll just keep pouring money into marketing to get the sales. They really don't seem to care (yet) about the bottom line.

They'll buy their way into market share, as usual. But I don't think MS will get that 2nd spot ahead on Nintendo this time around in any territory but the USA (where it is doing very well from what I understand)
#4 at 10:38:53 - 28/03/2007
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Your right about the pad. It feels cheap and nasty to be honest, its the only part of the system that I actively dislike. The triggers are a bit of a silly design, although to be honest I havent had an issue with them in Motorstorm yet.

VF5 though?? Your barking mad, its one of the best fighters ever made :)
#5 at 10:40:28 - 28/03/2007
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billdoor said:The difference in this situation is the cost of the PS3- no matter what MS do, it's still far too expensive and people wont buy it for that reason.
So what makes MS thinks that the Elite will sell considering it's only $20 less than the 20gig PS3?

The problem doesn't have much to do with the cost, it's more to do with value. If people don't think it's worth the money they won't buy it. The PS3 wasn't worth the money because the 360 gave them a bit less functionality for a lot less money.

Now MS have gumped their advantage by releasing something that costs roughly the same but still gives less, that argument has vanished - if the Elite is worth the money, the PS3 will be as well.
#6 at 10:59:53 - 28/03/2007
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20gig PS3 wont be on sale over here though. It wont be the case that people wont buy the elite, they'll buy a PS3 instead, they simply wont buy either :)
#7 at 11:07:57 - 28/03/2007
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It's already more successful than the DC so no. And EA do stuff for it so no again.

If you ask another question - "Will the 360 get replaced by a new model sooner rather than later" I think the answer will be "sooner"

Peej
#8 at 11:10:11 - 28/03/2007
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I can't see it being the new Dreamcast. I think people are rightly disappointed about the price and contents of the Elite, but to imagine it's just going to suddenly drop dead seems a little far fetched for me.
#9 at 11:12:13 - 28/03/2007
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The DC was pretty reliable too wasn't it?

/pats launch machine
/fires up cdr of Ikaruga
#10 at 11:24:48 - 28/03/2007
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I'm with Carlo, Microsoft has too much money for the 360 to be a failure.

Any other company would be in financial ruin if they'd released the original Xbox at such a loss, but Microsoft could afford to take that initial hit to get its foot in the door. And will continue to fund the 360 no matter what.
#11 at 11:45:38 - 28/03/2007
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Nintendo are the new Sega, only worse they're gonna do it 3 times in a row! 2 Different development mentalities both dying of the same torpor.
#12 at 12:02:15 - 28/03/2007
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As the others say MS will just keep throwing the cash at the 360, these exclusives they keep yoinking didn't come cheap. SEGA running out of money was the killer, the DC could have gone on to do as wel as the GC and the XBox, maybe even better with the early start it had, if they'd stuck with it. SEGA have a habit of killing hardware early, which is why I abandoned them after being a SEGA fanboy in my youth.

Unreliability is still the real kick in the nuts for the machine, but I think the stuff that'll be joining the software library this year will be attractive to many.

If MS can get close to Sony's market share this time (which I suspect will shrink) they'll be happy with what they've done this generation. They'd just better hope they can break the chain of bad luck that seems to plague 3rd consoles.

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#13 at 12:05:18 - 28/03/2007
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billdoor said:The DC was pretty reliable too wasn't it?

/pats launch machine
/fires up cdr of Ikaruga

Apart from the sudden reset issue. And it was DAMN noisy.

;)
#14 at 12:07:26 - 28/03/2007
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THEY'RE EVEN THE SAME* COLOUR!!



*nearly
#15 at 12:08:06 - 28/03/2007
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One of many "will the 360 be the new Dreamcast?" comments from a while ago
#16 at 12:11:37 - 28/03/2007
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Can someone remind me what Peter Moore's last job was?

;)
#17 at 12:49:15 - 28/03/2007
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Isn't the Xbox the next DC anyway? Since the DC used some Windows-thingy.

And if it's going to be the DC II, the very least they could do is release Shenmue 3 (I know, I know, but someone had to say it).
#18 at 12:54:58 - 28/03/2007
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/points at the domain name in address bar

It's "all about the games" and at the moment, for me at least, there are too many excellent games on the 360 for me to even think about getting through.
#19 at 12:58:35 - 28/03/2007
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Legion said:/points at the domain name in address bar

It's "all about the games" and at the moment, for me at least, there are too many excellent games on the 360 for me to even think about getting through.

You do remember the DC don't you?
#20 at 13:00:22 - 28/03/2007
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Never owned one. The games were shit.

;)
#21 at 13:04:05 - 28/03/2007
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OH NO HE DIDN'T!

/does that hand thing that African-American female lard-buckets do so well

/throws a virtual empty bottle of whiskey at Legion
#22 at 13:10:08 - 28/03/2007
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I got my first DC about 18 months ago, and I have to say it totally underwhelmed me.

/runs from mob with pitchforks
#23 at 13:13:46 - 28/03/2007
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disussedgenius said:OH NO HE DIDN'T!

/does that hand thing that African-American female lard-buckets do so well

/throws a virtual empty bottle of whiskey at Legion

/Stands behind disussedgenius glaring and patting a baseball bat in his hand
#24 at 13:15:31 - 28/03/2007
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WOPR said:I got my first DC about 18 months ago, and I have to say it totally underwhelmed me.

/runs from mob with pitchforks

I'm afraid this says more about your status as a human being that it does about the DC being TEH BESTEST CONSOLE EVA!

#25 at 13:19:57 - 28/03/2007
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*cough* fanbois *cough*

/hides behind WOPR
#26 at 13:26:47 - 28/03/2007
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If you're a fanboy of a dead console, it's called being an homageboy. :)
#27 at 13:33:13 - 28/03/2007
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It's always the same :)

Oh and Shenmue was SHIT too.
#28 at 13:33:21 - 28/03/2007
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/kills WOPR
#29 at 13:34:52 - 28/03/2007
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What twat started this thread anyway?
#30 at 13:38:55 - 28/03/2007

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