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HairyArse
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Should you write eighties as 80s or 80's? Surely as it's a plural it does not need the apostrophe.

Should multiple first person shooters be written as FPSs, FPSes or FPS's, again as it's a plural this negates the need for an apostrophe.

Discuss.
#1 at 12:34:02 - 18/07/2007
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HairyArse said:Should you write eighties as 80s or 80's? Surely as it's a plural it does not need the apostrophe.

Should multiple first person shooters be written as FPSs, FPSes or FPS's, again as it's a plural this negates the need for an apostrophe.

Discuss.


Apostrophe signifies possessive, not plural.

Lesson ends.
#2 at 12:38:05 - 18/07/2007
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/summons Lynne Truss

80s

FPSs

Ban those sick apostrophes in all cases except denoting possession or a contraction.
#3 at 12:38:38 - 18/07/2007
HairyArse
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So my natural instincts were correct then! It's just that Amazon had me confused with the following:

kerching
#4 at 12:44:22 - 18/07/2007
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Oh and I was also in two minds because obviously you also use them when letters are removed from words, and as FPS is an acronym and letters are sorta removed.....
#5 at 12:45:59 - 18/07/2007
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It's a little weird when describing something belonging to a time period.

An 80's record = A record from the 80s
An 80s record = A record containing 80s music

Two week's notice = A notice of an event occurring after two weeks have passed
Two weeks notice = A notice lasting two weeks
#6 at 12:55:15 - 18/07/2007
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#7 at 12:57:21 - 18/07/2007
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Another complicated one is the variants on who's.

Who's going to the bar?
Whose is that?

Even though "Whose is that?" is about posession, the apostrophe doesn't apply.

Man I love English.
#8 at 13:03:04 - 18/07/2007
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Yeah it should've been FPSs, my mistake.
#9 at 13:06:22 - 18/07/2007
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HairyArse said:Another complicated one is the variants on who's.

Who's going to the bar?
Whose is that?

Even though "Whose is that?" is about posession, the apostrophe doesn't apply.

Man I love English.


Whose = possessive
Who's = short form of "who is"

Therefore: Who's going to the bar is right
Whose going to the bar - eh oh...

Peej
#10 at 13:24:20 - 18/07/2007
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HairyArse said:So my natural instincts were correct then! It's just that Amazon had me confused with the following:

kerching


Who do you trust more, Amazon's 80's in the item name or the game publisher's 80s on the box of the game, also easily visible on the same page.
;-)
#11 at 13:24:41 - 18/07/2007
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Apostrophe abuse shouldn't be aloud.




(o/
#12 at 13:28:08 - 18/07/2007
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Well actually my English Professor says that 80's is actually 'ok' these days. 80s is 100% correct though.
#13 at 13:32:32 - 18/07/2007
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There are several things that are considered 'okay' these days, things like writing passive sentences all over the place are becoming more and more accepted.
#14 at 13:38:30 - 18/07/2007
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Salaman said:
HairyArse said:So my natural instincts were correct then! It's just that Amazon had me confused with the following:

kerching


Who do you trust more, Amazon's 80's in the item name or the game publisher's 80s on the box of the game, also easily visible on the same page.
;-)


Well I didn't actually notice that when I found it yetserday!
#15 at 13:40:42 - 18/07/2007
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/Hates when rules are relaxed because of the number of thundercunts out there getting it wrong
#16 at 13:40:53 - 18/07/2007
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Did I have some kind of weird dream where I heard that they don't mark down for poor punctuation and grammar in English GCSEs now?
#17 at 13:48:28 - 18/07/2007
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Retroid said:/Hates when rules are relaxed because of the number of thundercunts out there getting it wrong


English has changed as a language a 1000 times over since its origins. Grammar rules, spelling, every aspect of it.

There is no 'right'.
#18 at 13:51:16 - 18/07/2007
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morriss said:
English has changed as a language a 1000 times over since its origins. Grammar rules, spelling, every aspect of it.

YES, I BLOODY KNOW ;P
#19 at 14:04:16 - 18/07/2007
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morriss said:
Retroid said:/Hates when rules are relaxed because of the number of thundercunts out there getting it wrong


English has changed as a language a 1000 times over since its origins. Grammar rules, spelling, every aspect of it.

There is no 'right'.

Generally speaking it has changed to allow the language to remain flexible whilst applying 'rules' to keep it understandable. Now it's regressing, and people are being allowed to get away with things that don't really make any sense as an evolution of the language. If everyone started spelling words their own way again, then we'd see whether it was a good idea to 'dumb down' the 'rules' of the language.
#20 at 14:20:09 - 18/07/2007
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'Regression' is an entirely subjective way of looking at it. Someone else might say, evolving.
#21 at 15:14:37 - 18/07/2007
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Thereís an argument to say that 80s is a contraction of 1980s, therefore it should be Ď80s which I have seen done. Thatís a bit on the archaic side though, so as TW said, itís only 80ís if you wish to indicate possession.
#22 at 15:20:41 - 18/07/2007
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No. It isn't. 80's being short for 1980's accepted at degree level.
#23 at 15:33:15 - 18/07/2007
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Grammar rules, ok!

/still not sure about "Saints Row"
#24 at 15:42:38 - 18/07/2007
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morriss said:No. It isn't. 80's being short for 1980's accepted at degree level.


I'm sure it is, but that's probably just because it's so commonly used that it's become acceptable, which is fine, but grammatically I can't see any reason for it.
#25 at 15:58:16 - 18/07/2007
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The one I get a bit confused about is when people write a list of "Dos and Don'ts". I've seen it as "Do's and Dont's". I took it upon myself to title one just "Do and Don't"

Any thoughts? Or am I boring you? :o)
#26 at 16:02:49 - 18/07/2007
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morriss said:No. It isn't. 80's being short for 1980's accepted at degree level.


Not a degree in English I hope. :o)
#27 at 16:03:21 - 18/07/2007
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Yep. In fact, my tutor wrote 3 grammar books, and they're the ones that 90% of universities use across the country. So if he gives it the thumbs up, I'm inclined to bow down to his superior grammarness. :)
#28 at 16:05:20 - 18/07/2007
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Well next time you're talking to him you can ask him how to spell "Doffs" properly, can't you :)

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#29 at 16:07:02 - 18/07/2007
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I can't see how 80's (when not referring to posession) can work at all.

You use an apostrophe in isn't, it's, don't because it goes where you remove the o/i/o, if you put one in 80's what's it supposed to be replacing?
#30 at 16:14:18 - 18/07/2007

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