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peej
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Was listening to the radio this morning when the latest set of "stop being a fucking idiot" laws were announced...

1) Teenage drivers are to be bannned from drinking any alcohol at all before driving...

2) Drivers under a certain age will be banned from driving a car with their friends in it, after a certain time of night.

3) Driving test to be toughened up even more, with separate tests for courtesy and reading the road.

WTF?!

Does anyone see a problem with any of this? Particularly the first and second ones? Or is it just me that thinks that people here have evolved into some sort of biomass that can't seemingly make a sensible decision on their own any more...?

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#1 at 11:27:38 - 19/07/2007
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I can't see a major issue with it. Personlly i think the blood alcohol limit for driving should be 0 for everyone. As for the teenagers all in one car after certain times, although being somewhat utilitarianist there is some sense in it, how many Corsa's full of Kappa Kids handbraking around McDonalds carparks etc have you seen after the pub shuts, although i doubt it will make any difference.
#2 at 11:34:09 - 19/07/2007
peej
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Your first point is precisely my point. Why should it be teenage drivers that get singled out when most of the people banned for drink driving are middle aged twats who think they can handle their booze?

As you said though - it won't make much difference bringing in these new laws anyway - they can't even enforce the mobile phone one so why bother just bringing in yet another stack of unenforceable laws anyway?

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#3 at 11:36:04 - 19/07/2007
billdoor
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The easiest thing to do is to introduce a cc limit on under 21s. 500cc car until your 21st birthday. Have all the young lads trying to kev up a 21bhp microcar o/
#4 at 11:51:57 - 19/07/2007
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billdoor said:The easiest thing to do is to introduce a cc limit on under 21s.


This i whole heartedly agree with, works for motorbikes why not cars as well?
#5 at 11:54:31 - 19/07/2007
peej
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Ginger-Messiah said:
billdoor said:The easiest thing to do is to introduce a cc limit on under 21s.


This i whole heartedly agree with, works for motorbikes why not cars as well?


The thing is - they'd just rip the exhaust off and you'd still get the annoyance of the thing trawling through your neighbourhood with enough body kit on it to sink halfords, at 3 in the morning.

The point of the thread really was meant to be "Since when did people get so fucking stupid that they have to have laws passed to help them be less stupid?"

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#6 at 11:56:47 - 19/07/2007
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Teenage drivers are targeted because they have less driving experience yet overestimate their driving skills, which means they end up doing 40-50mph on country lanes where maybe 35 is more appropriate and crash. They also are more likely to want to show off their 1337 driving skills when there's a car full of their mates.

To get your license in Belgium, you take a theoretical test & if you pass, you are given a 10 month learner permit. The restriction of this learner permit is that you need to display a blue sign with an L in your car, aren't allowed to drive outside of Belgium, aren't allowed passengers unless your mentor instructor is in the car with you) and aren't allowed to drive between 10pm and 6am on weekends (Fri-Sat-Sun).

So it's somewhat similar but once you take your driving test and receive your proper license these restrictions no longer apply.

#7 at 11:58:05 - 19/07/2007
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peej said:
"Since when did people get so fucking stupid that they have to have laws passed to help them be less stupid?"



That's dawn of time stuff, right there.
#8 at 11:59:31 - 19/07/2007
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peej said:Why should it be teenage drivers that get singled out when most of the people banned for drink driving are middle aged twats who think they can handle their booze?

As you said though - it won't make much difference bringing in these new laws anyway - they can't even enforce the mobile phone one so why bother just bringing in yet another stack of unenforceable laws anyway?

Peej


The reason they're singling out young motorists again is because the percentage of drink related car accidents involving young motorists has risen sharply over the last 10 years. The reason ? The same reason they can't enforce any other motoring laws these days - the shift in emphasis from patrol cars to speed cameras. The only limit they can tell whether you're over or under these days is the speed one.
#9 at 12:07:50 - 19/07/2007
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If they kev up a car with a tiny bhp, it will go even slower thanks to all the skirts and spoilers :)
#10 at 12:08:12 - 19/07/2007
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billdoor said:The easiest thing to do is to introduce a cc limit on under 21s. 500cc car until your 21st birthday. Have all the young lads trying to kev up a 21bhp microcar o/

I agree with this, totally. Not the limits you suggest mind, but uber-fast cars can be had for next to nothing second hand, and it's just wrong that someone with zero experience can get behind the wheel of one.
#11 at 12:12:36 - 19/07/2007
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I think cars like the micro car would put a lot of the lil lads off learning to drive until they're a bit older and hopefully more sensible.
#12 at 12:17:27 - 19/07/2007
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Why stop at an age limit though ? Maybe it should be for the first 5 years after you pass your test, regardless of age. Regardless of sensibility I don't believe someone of 25 who's literally just passed their test is inherently any safer when trying to control a big-engined car than anyone who's under 21.
#13 at 12:22:04 - 19/07/2007
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Good point JJ, that makes a lot of sense.

#14 at 13:03:33 - 19/07/2007
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peej said:
The point of the thread really was meant to be "Since when did people get so fucking stupid that they have to have laws passed to help them be less stupid?"

Unfortunately, I doubt this has ever not been the case. It just leads to far more dangerous situations these days than it did before we had cars/handguns etc.

I do think the driving test should be massively extended, not ten minutes goes by when you're on the road and you don't see someone who clearly shouldn't be driving. Of course, that's not to say that all of them have passed their test, anyway.
#15 at 13:37:42 - 19/07/2007
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Mandatory retesting every three years. There are so many shonky drivers on the roads these days. More than I can ever remember.
#16 at 13:59:04 - 19/07/2007
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boabg said:Mandatory retesting every three years. There are so many shonky drivers on the roads these days. More than I can ever remember.


I'd agree with this but I reckon it would just lead to a rise in the number of unlicensed, uninsured drivers driving about, getting into accidents and leaving people out of pocket (or worse) tbh.

Definitely mandatory re-testing and instant driving ban for most road crime though.

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#17 at 14:09:33 - 19/07/2007
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peej said:
boabg said:Mandatory retesting every three years. There are so many shonky drivers on the roads these days. More than I can ever remember.


I'd agree with this but I reckon it would just lead to a rise in the number of unlicensed, uninsured drivers driving about, getting into accidents and leaving people out of pocket (or worse) tbh.

Definitely mandatory re-testing and instant driving ban for most road crime though.

Peej


Yeah I hear ya. They could fit the face recognition cameras with lasers or something. INSTABAN MOFO!
#18 at 14:11:47 - 19/07/2007
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I think they should just shoot anyone driving in the bus lane in the chin...Day Today style...

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#19 at 14:16:52 - 19/07/2007
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JimJam said:Why stop at an age limit though ? Maybe it should be for the first 5 years after you pass your test, regardless of age. Regardless of sensibility I don't believe someone of 25 who's literally just passed their test is inherently any safer when trying to control a big-engined car than anyone who's under 21.


It's true. I passed my test at 23 and for a few months of driving on my own without an instructor, I was terrible (hopefully I've improved though!). You get so used to being told what to do when you're learning that when you have to drive by yourself, you end being a bit lost and end up taking dangerous risks.

#20 at 14:26:55 - 19/07/2007
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I do reckon there is something in the "no ferrying people around" idea - mainly because as someone said, it stops arseholes playing to a crowd.

It's a very complex situation, not made any easier by the fact that people just don't really care enough any more - driving dangerously or irresponsibly isn't really given enough of a stiff penalty to dissuade it I guess, so people think doing stupid things is somehow worth the risk of a measly fine or a slap on the wrist.

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#21 at 15:47:45 - 19/07/2007
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More bans would be good.

Legalizing beating the shit of someone who crashes into you would be equally fun.
#22 at 16:07:12 - 19/07/2007
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Engine size limits are a far more sensible idea than any of these proposals announced. An alcohol limit of zero in't practical because people naturally produce very low amounts - medical conditions can add to that but it should be lower than it is.

There is a general issue of the population needing their hand holding and are happy to just do as they are told. There's something about this generation in charge of things now that don't seem to be able to just let people make their own fuck ups.

Maybe it's the same as ever but now there is the global media to back it up and make people notice more.
#23 at 01:30:06 - 20/07/2007
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peej said:I think they should just shoot anyone driving in the bus lane in the chin...Day Today style...

Peej


My missus got done for entering a bus lane. Unfortunately it was a TFL cash generating scheme. Set of lights, 2 lanes marked straight ahead. Other side of the lights, one bus lane, one lane for cars, no warning and a camera. Choice: pull blind into outside lane in london in the rush hour or stay in the left hand lane. Cost: 50 plus a 20 admin fee from the lease car company.
#24 at 10:25:38 - 20/07/2007
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No sign marking it as a bus lane? That seems overly harsh, can you not appeal something like that in the way that people get away with speeding tickets if the speed limit signs are 'wrong'.
#25 at 13:50:22 - 20/07/2007
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You could have grounds to contest it if you can arsed Bill. Take a couple of photos of the junction if you can get back there to show there's no warning signs, and then say that your wife was driving in an area she doesn't know well. You might get it overturned.

At least it's not points I suppose.
#26 at 14:22:37 - 20/07/2007

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