PSP or GPX... thing.


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Stevas
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Haha! Technology. Oh... man.

So the girlfriend asked me if I wanted a PSP for christmas. Do you know, I couldn't answer her? I... don't know if I do. Actual PSP games leave me cold. I don't want to be able to play cut down versions of playstation 2 games, thank you. That's what I have a playstation for, funnily enough.
However.
What DOES appeal (again, funnily enough) is the thought of being able to play Neo Geo and PC Engine stuff on the go. Now that - I'm sure you'd agree - would rock most verily. Also, there's a great many OLDER style games re-released on the PSP that DO appeal. I'm talking of Ghouls and Ghosts, Wipeout, Powerstone, Gradius, Metal Slug, etc..

So here's my question:

Actually, there's more than one. A lot more than one. Here are my questions (ahahaha):

Which of the two is better for Neo Geo and PCE stuff?
Would I really be missing out on the stuff I listed up there? Or are they not, as they appear, better than the originals?

Is the screen on the PSP any good? Is the screen on the GP... thing any good? Surely the GPX... thing is better to actually hold and play for periods of time? What about relative battery life?

Can anyone help me out he-

Retroid. Can Retroid help me out here, I guess... is the underlying theme of this thread. Yes.

FUCK YOU UBISOFT

Hasty Edit: Ahahaha - that's not to say I wouldn't value anyone else's opinion on the matter, just I'm... pretty sure Retroid had both of the units in question, see.
#1 at 14:47:50 - 03/12/2007
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You DARE to ask, considering how many times I've told you about the Gradius comps and other shooty goodness?

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#2 at 14:57:18 - 03/12/2007
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Dude, don't bother.

I've had 4/5 PSPs now - I've lost count. And every single time, after little more than a couple of days I've looked at them as being disposable sources of income and flogged them.

#3 at 15:00:25 - 03/12/2007
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Only one answer here - GP2X. Uncategorically.
#4 at 15:01:17 - 03/12/2007
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It's a toughie.

I have both and love them both in different ways (matron), but at the mo I'd probably say the PSP:

Faster (assured) CPU speed, better battery life.

Unless you want touchscreen with your homebrew, in which case they've just released the F200; white, with a Dpad instead of a joystick, with touchscreen & stylus.

Saying that, there's a lot of cross-porting between them due to simularities and....

Gah.

PSP. For now.

Its CPS2 & NeoGeo emulators are in a better state, and offer ad-hoc wifi two player.

If the PSP doesn't work out as you like then at least it'll still have value / sales value as a PSP, whereas it's the hobbyist lot for the GP2X.
#5 at 15:07:57 - 03/12/2007
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@ peej: yeah, but no, but yeah, but no, but I know but Charlene didn't turn up and he said he'd been promised and I thought it's not like they were going steady and she'd promised him a chewy round the back of the science labs and when he'd took his pants off she gagged but not in the good way because it was from the smell yeah so I held my nose and thought of parma violets.
No, wait... the other thing: I know you said all about that, but... I'm still undecided, man.
Always getting them two mixed up.

@ Hairy: yeah but no but have you had 4 or 5 GPX... things, and been equally bored with them?

@ Rhy: What's the battery life like on one of these babies?

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#6 at 15:11:27 - 03/12/2007
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Coming into thread:
GPX... thing------------|--------------PSP

Five minutes ago:
GPX... thing-----|---------------------PSP

Now:
GPX... thing-------------------|-------PSP

God... dammit.

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#7 at 15:14:33 - 03/12/2007
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Oops I just noticed I didn't actually answer the question.

Don't get either, get a radio controlled helicopter.

Oh and you need to patent your new Stevasometer AWESOME------------------|-----NOTSOAWESOMER
#8 at 15:18:57 - 03/12/2007
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How about I... get a radio controlled helicopter AS WELL? Eh? How about that? You like that? Tell you something else: I'm going to get one of those little desktop drumkits, the ones you can hit with a pen. Oh, yes.

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Edit: Shit.

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#9 at 15:31:41 - 03/12/2007
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Here's my reasoning:

The PSP depends on getting hacked firmwares which'll run what you want, and those authors keeping certain things up to date (like the new Slim PSPs not running anything for 1.5 firmware so they've had to be re-built). once you've done that, you've got a machine with a 333Mhz core and 32mb of RAM (64 on the Slim but I'm not sure if anything uses that yet).

On the GP2X, it's completely open and runs at 200/240ish and some can overclock to 300Mhz but by no means all, with 64mb of RAM. Make sure you're on thr most common firmware and everything works a treat. It also has USB so if you connect a powered hub to it you can use joysticks on most emulators, and a TV out with SVideo output as standard, so you could play Megadrive / PCEngine stuff on a telly with a USB joystick at home, then save your game and play it on the bus later.

SO

Both have mains adaptors, both (if you count the PSP Slim) have TV-out. The PSP has commercial games developed for it, the GP2X is entirely homebrew / emulator dependant.

Oh, and the GP2X can play Divx/Xvid from any SD card with its built-in player.
#10 at 15:52:04 - 03/12/2007
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GPX... thing-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-PSP

Okay, so... let's say I go the PSP route. Should I avoid the new slim one?
Let's say I go the GP thing route. Rechargeable batteries?

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#11 at 16:15:12 - 03/12/2007
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Definitely rechargables for a GP2X. They last longer than disposables and a good set including a charger will only cost a tenner.
#12 at 16:27:31 - 03/12/2007
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Is Rich not selling his fully modded PSP?

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#13 at 16:51:37 - 03/12/2007
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Yup, the GP2X runs on two AAs so rechargeables are fine. I use 'em, and I got a USB charger too so it's so hassle.

As for avoiding a PSP Slim, I think they *might* be a better bet, but that all depends on getting one where you can downgrade the firmware, which is something I haven't looked into.
#14 at 17:15:30 - 03/12/2007
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I think slims can be done via the Pandora Battery mod. And you can even buy commercial panbats now so it should be do-able.

The only thing I've got against the GP2X over the PSP is that lack of commercial titles. The PSP is pretty much well served for a lot of decent homebrew and stuff like MAME etc, so really the only reason to choose a GP2X over a PSP would be the slightly better screen (is it better?) and controls that don't turn you into a hook-talonned cripple.

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#15 at 17:17:32 - 03/12/2007
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The controls could be an issue though - the GP consoles are lovely to hold - there's a lot to be said for the old GBA/GameGear design
#16 at 17:36:41 - 03/12/2007
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What about the screen on the GP2X though? Decent refresh rate?

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#17 at 17:38:09 - 03/12/2007
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The GP32 was fine so I can't see that the next model up (and one that's been revised twice) should be any worse.
#18 at 17:42:02 - 03/12/2007
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The screen on the GP2X is lovely, and good colours too. Doesn't have the PSP's 'free AA' (LCD ghosting).

You still getting good use out of the GP32, Rhy?
#19 at 17:57:00 - 03/12/2007
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Retroid said:
You still getting good use out of the GP32, Rhy?


Yeah, it's lovely. I was really close to getting a GP2X if only for the backlight but then I got my E61, which suits portable games very well
#20 at 17:59:22 - 03/12/2007
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Excellent :)
#21 at 18:01:09 - 03/12/2007
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Speaking of screens, you hit on another dilemma there. The PSP's, while slightly larger, is widescreen, and therefore not as suited to the emulated stuff. Um...

Shit.

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#22 at 18:22:46 - 03/12/2007
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Just to help / hinder you, most of the emulators on the PSP allow you several different aspect ratios, and it has hardware bilinear filtering for when you you want it stretched (in aspect or not) whereas the GP2X doesn't have hardware filtering.

But then, most machines you'd be wanting to fucking about with used a very similar resolution to 320x240 anyway...
#23 at 18:43:53 - 03/12/2007
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I know I'm too late to add anything constructive to the conversation, but I'll go anyway.

The PSP offers you a completely legitimate, occasionally upgraded but usually accurate, hassle-free way of playing Gradius, Parodius, Salamander, Power Stone, Metal Slug, a large selection of Megadrive, Taito, Midway and Capcom games, near instant access to multiple PS1 games, as well as plenty of other excellent original titles that aren't just "cut down versions of playstation 2 games". The GP2X doesn't.

And whilst the GP2X does have a good selection of emulators, so does the PSP, and as Retroid acknowledged, they usually tend to be slightly quicker / better / more frequently updated.

And yes, some people do seem to take a dislike to the PSP controls, but the stick on the GP2X competes with the 360 dpad for uncontrollable hideousness. Haven't tried the F200 yet, but I hear it is meant to be a vast improvement though.

So considering both devices can be found for around the £100-ish mark, when you take the title of this site to heart, is there any reason why a PSP wouldn't be the best choice? Of course you could always choose option c) like a few of us and buy both :-)
#24 at 20:17:53 - 03/12/2007
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PSP is definitely the way to go assuming you can get access to someone's hacked PSP.

I'd say go for the slim now, all the emulators have been updated so they run on it.
As well as the games mentioned I'd be shocked if Locco Rocco didn't make you grin from ear to ear.

As a side note after the postal system recovers from Christmas I will be in the UK and will have a Pandora Battery and memstick available.
#25 at 03:13:40 - 04/12/2007
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I would've still thrown in my support for the GP2X again but this review turned me off it. 3-4 hours of battery? :-/

That said, I couldn't ever recommend the PSP. The thing just is not designed to be held by normal human hands. If you've got any underlying hint of RSI or keyboard-related hand/wrist issues then the PSP *will* aggravate and infuriate. Plus the screen is awfully smeary when displaying high contrast content
#26 at 06:40:11 - 04/12/2007
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Stevas said: I don't want to be able to play cut down versions of playstation 2 games, thank you. That's what I have a playstation for, funnily enough.


I really really really really don't get this argument.

It's no different to saying you don't need an mp3 player because you have a good HI-FI at home.

#27 at 10:07:19 - 04/12/2007
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#28 at 10:15:12 - 04/12/2007
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GPX... thing----OHYOUGOTTOBEKIDDING----PSP

Thanks guys. Um. It appears my choices are either:

A machine with shit battery life, not as good emulation, a wank DPad, and very little in the way of commercial releases, or;

A machine designed seemingly by aliens in order to cripple the human race and devolve their opposable thumbs... with a shit smeary screen.

HOWEVER.

Buying the second one - while INITIALLY appearing to be giving 1 hundred shiny pounds to the idiots that are Sony - WILL in fact turn out to be an opportunity to STICK IT TO THE MAN, by (ahem) not actually buying any games for it.

To conclude, I'm THIS close (pinches air) to plumping for the PSP.

Even if it IS only so I can use it for exactly all the things Sony don't want me to.

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#29 at 10:37:16 - 04/12/2007
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deem said:
Stevas said: I don't want to be able to play cut down versions of playstation 2 games, thank you. That's what I have a playstation for, funnily enough.


I really really really really don't get this argument.

It's no different to saying you don't need an mp3 player because you have a good HI-FI at home.



Um, no. It's completely different. You're not risking losing everything you've listened to if the batteries run out.

Um... shit. That didn't work. I'll try again.

You don't have to play to the end of a song to ensure you can continue from the same place, despite the fact your bus journey is finished and you're forcing yourself to sit and listen to it at the bustop.

There. Much better.

And anyway, it wasn't an "argument". It's what I *want*.

Or not, as it happens.

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#30 at 10:43:17 - 04/12/2007

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