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My dad had this on the shelf for years and I never read it. Now that I've seen all the recent press build up to the film I thought I'd give it a go.

OMG! How friggin' awesome is this? I thought superheroes were all Spidey, Superman and Batman, all good fun but a bit kiddie. Even Heroes did nothing to allay those beliefs. Now that I've just finished chapter IV, "Watchmaker", my judgment's been well and truly changed. That was possibly the best comic I've ever read.

I'm now gutted that lunch is over as I won't be able to read any more until I get home :-(
#1 at 15:07:53 - 27/08/2008
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Started reading it a month ago - just before I'd heard them announce a film.

It's outstanding, really changed my mind about the whole graphic novel thing.
#2 at 15:11:29 - 27/08/2008
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By brother bought this for me for my birthday a few years ago, great book.
#3 at 15:12:35 - 27/08/2008
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Well done on eventually catching up with the single best example of the medium. If you thought superheroes were all like the ones you mention, I'd suggest DKR (to see an altogether different sort of Bats), Sandman, and Zenith next.

I WOULD suggest that, but what's the point? You clearly wouldn't take any notice!
#4 at 15:14:01 - 27/08/2008
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Hang on... your dad?

Woah, how cool is he? Does he completely own you on COD too?

#5 at 15:15:17 - 27/08/2008
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Will do, Stevas, definitely.
#6 at 15:15:28 - 27/08/2008
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Yeah, Watchmen was part of us 'brits' going over to America and revitalising their comic industry which was stuck in a spandex covered 1950's rut. Moore, Ennis, Dillon all went over there in the late 80's, early 90's and gave the yanks a kick up the butt and produced some absolutely sterling works. Stuff the Americans would have had a hard time doing to their cultural icons.
I was always a DC guy more than a Marvel guy so i remember them doing Animal Man, Dr Fate, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Sandman and the likes. Helped give comics their slightly darker tones and even Marvel matured a bit. Only a bit though, it's still all spandex and Deus Ex Machina which compared to Rogue Trooper and Judge Dredd just didn't cut it for me even at that young age.
#7 at 15:17:00 - 27/08/2008
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Stevas said:
Hang on... your dad?

Woah, how cool is he? Does he completely own you on COD too?


Might have done if he were still around. He could certainly hand me my arse at River Raid back in the day and he had the house top score at True Pinball on the PS1 too ;-)

T'was him that got me into guitar stuff like Zappa, Vai, Malmsteen and Satriani. He also had a full collection of 2001AD ;-)
#8 at 15:18:56 - 27/08/2008
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You still have the 2000AD? You'll find Zenith in among that. Still the best thing that comic ever had in it, I'd say - hands down.

Edit: Hellblazer, too. Always liked that one. Swamp Thing I never really got into, to be honest - though I could appreciate why others would.
#9 at 15:23:30 - 27/08/2008
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Slightly off topic but on. I had to clear a bunch of stuff out of my Nan's old house over the weekend. She'd been kindly looking after my entire collection of 2000 AD from 1977-1995.

I bit the bullet and recycled the lot (it took me about an hour and a half to feed them into the magazine bin). It was heart breaking and satisfying at the same time (mainly the latter because I'd been pestered about 'em for years).

I kept ish 1, 2 and 3 though (still with their gifts intact).
#10 at 15:27:46 - 27/08/2008
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The 2000ADs got binned years ago. They were all flimsy newsprint editions and thus were in fairly poor repair
#11 at 15:27:53 - 27/08/2008
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This collection was a lot of those, plus a lot of the glossier later stuff.

An entire collection of Judge Dredd the Megazine, Crisis and also Revolver also went west.
#12 at 15:34:59 - 27/08/2008
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peej said:
An entire collection of Judge Dredd the Megazine, Crisis and also Revolver also went west.

O_o

I chucked a load of 'best of' 2000ADs a few weeks back but couldn't bare to part with my proper titles. Re-read the stunning Dan Dare story that appeared in Revolver, before bunging them back in the loft. Gonna sift through the US titles next; I'm sure I can get rid of one or two...

Back on topic: I also dug out my well-thumbed Watchmen TPB after reading an article on the forthcoming film in Empire magazine; pleased to discover it was every bit as good as I remember. I *so* hope the film is half decent.
#13 at 18:24:06 - 27/08/2008
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On the basis of the trailer, the film looks set to do the comic justice. Though Ozymundiwhatsis looks too weedy in my learned opinion.
#14 at 18:28:51 - 27/08/2008
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#15 at 18:42:39 - 27/08/2008
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One of those that genuinely deserves the title 'graphic novel', and brought the superhero genre into serious territory.

Since none of you have linked the trailer, it's awesome, and it's here. This guy's proved he can match the visuals of the comics on 300, and he's done it again here.
#16 at 18:48:53 - 27/08/2008
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Hadn't seen the trailer yet, my goodness, it actually might not suck after all.

Like the way they've dealt with Doc Manhattan's tiny winkle. A tasteful pair of briefs and we're 15-rated :)

#17 at 19:02:18 - 27/08/2008
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peej said:Hadn't seen the trailer yet, my goodness, it actually might not suck after all.

Like the way they've dealt with Doc Manhattan's tiny winkle. A tasteful pair of briefs and we're 15-rated :)


:D

My one tiny criticism is that most of the characters were supposed to be retired and middle-aged, and therefore look a bit young in this. Nitpicking really in the grand scheme of things.

More info - the current plan is to release the pirate 'story within the story' as an animated DVD like they did with Gotham Knight and Animatrix, and then only show it in the background in the actual film. I'm really pleased that this looks like the way they're going, purely because it's the way I always imagined it working as part of the film.

Also, the 1930s Watchmen stuff has reportedly been filmed like the old Pathe Newsreels. Currently looking like DVD extras rather than film inclusions though.
#18 at 19:08:25 - 27/08/2008
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Yeah they do all look a little too young and a bit too clean cut.

Production design is top notch though, enough of an essence of film noir merged nicely with a modern take on the original graphic novel stuff. Nice clean lines. This will definitely be a shoe-in for a blu ray purchase eventually.
#19 at 19:15:02 - 27/08/2008
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Nite Owl with no paunch is a definite downer. The trailer is still nerdgasm worthy though.

I'm trying not to read tales of 2000AD binning up there, enough to make my lower lip tremble.
#20 at 19:17:57 - 27/08/2008
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Hughes. said:Nite Owl with no paunch is a definite downer. The trailer is still nerdgasm worthy though.

I'm trying not to read tales of 2000AD binning up there, enough to make my lower lip tremble.


It was a sad day. I think I would've been a lot sadder had I not got virtually every 2000AD from 1977-2004 in PDF format stashed away (a whopping 24gbs worth!)
#21 at 19:19:33 - 27/08/2008
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I bought this and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen from eBay a few days back. Can't wait to get them.
#22 at 20:03:14 - 27/08/2008
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Wait a mo; you're only on chapter IV Rhythm? Oh boy, are you in for a treat. Read on my friend, read on...

Agree with the comments above; everything looks nigh on perfect (Archimedes, Mars, Doctor Manhattan, &c.) even if a couple of the characters aren't quite right; Nite Owl is way too fit and young, Ozymandias looks a bit of a wuss and Silk Spectre's costume is a little too overtly sexual.

peej said:
It was a sad day. I think I would've been a lot sadder had I not got virtually every 2000AD from 1977-2004 in PDF format stashed away (a whopping 24gbs worth!)

Where on earth might one go about finding something like that? Torrents? I've often wondered why companies don't digitise (and re-sell) their back catalogues. Ease of (illegal) distribution I guess... :(
#23 at 21:27:21 - 27/08/2008
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Octopus said:I bought this and the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen from eBay a few days back. Can't wait to get them.


LOEG 1 and 2 are utterly excellent.

Oneiros, I'm guessing my piratical chum at work got the 2000ADs from some torrent or other - christ knows who went to all the trouble of PDFing 'em all though. At rather good quality too.
#24 at 22:15:47 - 27/08/2008
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Stevas said:If you thought superheroes were all like the ones you mention, I'd suggest DKR

Yep, the characters from Diddy Kong Racing are some of my faves, too. ^_^
#25 at 22:22:07 - 27/08/2008
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Forgot to update this. Finished the series last week. Thought it was very very good indeed but issue 4 was by far the best. Got a bit too silly towards the end.

Started on Sandman. Can't say I'm a fan of Gaiman's writing. Didn't enjoy any of his books and this hasn't turned me round yet either. I am only on the 2nd issue though.
#26 at 08:31:17 - 09/09/2008
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Rhythm said:
Started on Sandman. Can't say I'm a fan of Gaiman's writing. Didn't enjoy any of his books and this hasn't turned me round yet either. I am only on the 2nd issue though.

To be fair, the first seven issues of Sandman are very different from the rest of the series; issue eight ("The Sound Of Her Wings") represents a definite turning point. In my (very biased) opinion, Sandman is the single greatest comic book series ever, even if some of the issues are well below par.
#27 at 10:06:06 - 09/09/2008
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oneiros said:
To be fair, the first seven issues of Sandman are very different from the rest of the series; issue eight ("The Sound Of Her Wings") represents a definite turning point. In my (very biased) opinion, Sandman is the single greatest comic book series ever, even if some of the issues are well below par.

Agreed. Sandman has some of my favouritist EVAR comic stories, and some of the single-issue ones are the best. The Sound of Her Wings still being one of my favourites.

Death ones are usually a good bet, as are the ones about the man made immortal by Death after a 'bet' with Dream.
#28 at 12:10:07 - 09/09/2008
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peej said:

Oneiros, I'm guessing my piratical chum at work got the 2000ADs from some torrent or other - christ knows who went to all the trouble of PDFing 'em all though. At rather good quality too.


Probably the fairly sizable comics scanning community. :)
#29 at 00:31:03 - 11/09/2008
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Down with PDF comic scans!

(JPEG is better).
#30 at 18:09:17 - 11/09/2008

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