Dying genres and others that need reviving


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peej
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So let's hear some opinions here. What genres do you think are currently past their best and what genres are seriously underexploited this-gen?

Dying:

FPS - It's had its day. FPAs could take over but it seems that most new or upcoming FPS games (possibly with the exception of Mirror's Edge) seem to rely on one quirky gameplay element to wow the puunters, with little or no substance or imagination to keep things interesting.

RTS - Had its day also. I'm willing to be proved wrong by Starcraft II (when the feckin' thing finally turns up) but I'm so meh for 'em now, despite RTS stuff being one of my favourite types of game back in the day

Underexploited:

Off road racers definitely. Rally games. Anything that doesn't involve going round and round and round trying to set the best lap times on stale old circuits like the Nurburgring.

Platformers:

Though this is slightly changing, and perhaps LBP will trigger off a massive revival of interest in the humble platformer.

#1 at 10:28:22 - 02/10/2008
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Mirror's Edge isn't an FPS. ;-)

Last year I'd have put platformers in the "die, please" pile but Portal was single handedly the best platform game I've ever played and Mirror's Edge looks incredible.




#2 at 10:39:38 - 02/10/2008
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Mirror's Edge is from a first person, and there's shooting in it..

/vague recollections of the Metroid Prime argument kicking off again.

ME is more of a 3D platformer though with shades of Prince of Persia - in fact that's another one on my "to buy" list.
#3 at 10:50:54 - 02/10/2008
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Dying:

Adventure titles tried to go 3D last generation but we seem to be lacking any significant releases in the last few years of this gen. We've got some episodic point and click and the promise of Heavy Rain but that's about it.

FPS/RPG hybrids. We've had some stonking years in the past for taking RPG aspects and integrating them into the FPS genre and it's given up a lot of interesting titles. Everything seems to have gone a bit quiet right now and a lot of the teams responsible for former titles were disbanded.

Not Dying:

FPS have had the like of Half Life 2's two expansions and all the new content they've thrown in. Bioshock has once again shown you can do a lot with a perspective locked at eye level. I don't think the genre can die, just like 3rd person/action titles can't really die, they can only become infused with other genres to evolve with time.

RTS. We've have Supreme Commander, we've got Starcraft: Honest, it isn't a remake to come. Company of Heroes and Dawn of War have been expanded out and probably both have sequels in development (only one is coming quite soon). Even the likes of World in Conflict have kept things fresh and trying new directions. Hell, C&C is showing no signs of death despite only really being worth it for the nostalgia. They've got the sales to keep going. Sins of a Solar Empire is another example of the genre copulating with another genre to thrive. 4X meets RTS and sales have reached half a million for a 'boring space battle game'

Underexploited:

Rallisport Challenge III. I don't think I need to say any more.

On the Rise:

I think someone is going to do something interesting in the MMO space in the next 18 months. It'll involve twitch gaming rather than a turn based timer style combat system. I'm not convinced it'll be another attempt at the FPS genre as PlanetSide attempted, because then your 5000 player server array is trying to replicate a 32 player server environment and broadband isn't there yet, even with the newer P2P approaches.
#4 at 10:51:16 - 02/10/2008
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Actually you just reminded me. Survival Horror. Really does seem to have dribbled away to nothing with very few new games coming out, and the handful that are expected looking a little more gun-heavy than they should do.
#5 at 10:52:31 - 02/10/2008
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Oh I dunno about that - Silent Hill Homecoming is out anytime. Siren is being received well and lest we forget Res 5.
#6 at 11:06:36 - 02/10/2008
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HairyArse said:Oh I dunno about that - Silent Hill Homecoming is out anytime. Siren is being received well and lest we forget Res 5.


And Dead Space

I'd agree that they're not really survival horror though. Resi 4 wasn't anything like the previous Resi Games in that there was no sense of suspense. Dead Space is gun-sy but apparently has very limited ammo and thus feels a bit more tense
#7 at 11:15:06 - 02/10/2008
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Space Combat, when was the last good space combat game?
#8 at 11:37:07 - 02/10/2008
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Underexploited: shmups, obviously. Anyone who replies with "you what? Do one, idiotboy - there are still stacks of shmups coming out all the time!" will do well to remember that THAT'S AS FUCKING MAYBE, but THERE STILL AREN'T ENOUGH FOR ME, DAMMIT.

Also: what Shiv said about RSC. Word. /crosses arms

Shot dead like a rabid dog in the street: the coop beat em up.
Surely there's a way to get us all playing some sort of DMC/Ninja Gaiden type thing? Where we have to work together (while stealing the goodies, obviously)? With HD shininess and Live enabled sexiness? No? This internets is useless, someone sort out another one already, etc, etc.
#9 at 11:50:33 - 02/10/2008
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Underexploited/half-dead: City-building/management games.
#10 at 11:51:55 - 02/10/2008
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Tiger_Walts said:Space Combat, when was the last good space combat game?


Freespace 2? Maybe something came out since that was really good, but I've only seen so-so attempts and recently that has been going from bad to worse.
#11 at 11:52:00 - 02/10/2008
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Turn based games.
Currently we have Civ 4, Civ Rev, Advance Wars, ummm... there was that insect thing that appeared on XBLA last year... and errr... nope, I'm done. Surely there's enough room for some new titles to compete with Civ, or draw people away from little handheld titles back onto big consoles? What happened to the other franchises like X-COM or Age of Wonders?
#12 at 12:20:50 - 02/10/2008
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X-Com mutated into Rebelstar Tactics on the GBA a couple of years ago but I'd definitely like to see more variety in TBC games.
#13 at 12:25:17 - 02/10/2008
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#14 at 12:41:22 - 02/10/2008
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I'd definitely love to see another space exploration game/space combat, there are a few about, but they've never really struck me as being improvements on Freespace 2 and before that X-wing vs Tie fighter.

Jesus that's a long time ago. I seem to remember I was even in some form of clan or something for that one. I think I was at least...
#15 at 12:49:02 - 02/10/2008
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I'd like to see something like Space Rangers 2 on the consoles, I loved the combat and trading element of that game.
#16 at 14:04:32 - 02/10/2008
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id like see the PS1/sat/3DO space hulk updated and maybe adding co-op multiplayer for xbox live.
#17 at 14:19:46 - 02/10/2008
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Rhythm said:
HairyArse said:Oh I dunno about that - Silent Hill Homecoming is out anytime. Siren is being received well and lest we forget Res 5.


And Dead Space

I'd agree that they're not really survival horror though. Resi 4 wasn't anything like the previous Resi Games in that there was no sense of suspense. Dead Space is gun-sy but apparently has very limited ammo and thus feels a bit more tense


Too much shooting in all of those. As Rhythm said, it's the fact that you're virtually unstoppable in Resi games that's getting a bit irksome. The whole appeal of stuff like the older Resi and Silent Hill games was that you had to struggle to survive - not that you were some gun-toting spec ops style cop that could basically play House of the Dead through the whole game.
#18 at 14:46:20 - 02/10/2008
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Apologies for harping back to the thread from a few weeks ago, but the old 3D space sim (Wing Commander, X-Wing, Colony Wars etc etc) is seriously underused this gen. Most disappointing.
#19 at 15:02:33 - 02/10/2008
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Definitely wouldn't say FPS.

Crysis Warhead ain't bad and there's going to be tonnes in the pipeline of which some will be good.

For Space there's X3 being advertised though I'm not very optimistic which is a real shame.

/kicks the coffin of combat flight sims :p

2D platformers have even had Wario Shake recently and there's also Bionic rearmed.

My personal massive gap is something that would push on from Homeworld Cataclysm, now that would be amasing.
#20 at 20:56:09 - 02/10/2008
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Firefighting.
#21 at 22:06:04 - 02/10/2008
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We had a game on the VIC-20 called Fire. You flew a helicopter and dropped water onto a burning building. That was aces... if you were five.
#22 at 22:23:14 - 02/10/2008
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This. Surely everyone thought of this when they first saw pixeljunk racers. Colossal disappointment in the slot racing.
#23 at 23:12:40 - 02/10/2008
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frod said:This. Surely everyone thought of this when they first saw pixeljunk racers. Colossal disappointment in the slot racing.


Tried Generally?
#24 at 00:43:20 - 03/10/2008
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I was going to say FPS but I've just seen Far Cry 2 running O_O
#25 at 00:43:43 - 03/10/2008
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frod said:This. Surely everyone thought of this when they first saw pixeljunk racers. Colossal disappointment in the slot racing.

Ivan 'IronMan' Stewart's Super Off-Road is a damn fine game. I only found it the other month when I picked up Midway Arcade Treasures 3, but even for the first time now, it's a really good game to play. The animation is top-notch.

My dying genre is beat-em-ups. Sure, we've got a new Tekken and Soul Calibur's coming out, VF is still ticking over - and most importantly there's SFIV, but unless the latter substantially changes the game, the rest of them are just releasing the same basic game over and over (no, character creation does not make it a new game). They're all too scared of creating new licenses in beat-em-ups.
#26 at 18:13:21 - 03/10/2008
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Dude, multiplayer Ninja Gaiden. You know it makes sense.

Fuck knows how it would even work, but I bet it would make sense.

Yeah.
#27 at 18:21:08 - 03/10/2008
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Co-op Ninja Gaiden?
#28 at 18:23:03 - 03/10/2008
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Stevas said:Dude, multiplayer Ninja Gaiden. You know it makes sense.

Hmm, yeah. That'd be kind of like an ultra-violent PowerStone. Damn good point - where's the new Powerstone (and no, PowerStone 2 doesn't count)?
#29 at 18:33:15 - 03/10/2008
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Oooh, I haven't played powerstone since I got my arcade stick, bet its actually going to be possible for me to play it now without dying horribly easily!
#30 at 18:40:38 - 03/10/2008

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