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peej
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Great articles up on Shacknews and even on EG about this (yeah we did something on the front page as well a couple of days ago grumble grumble).

It's never going to work is it!

#1 at 12:31:37 - 26/03/2009
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peej said:Great articles up on Shacknews and even on EG about this (yeah we did something on the front page as well a couple of days ago grumble grumble).

It's never going to work is it!



not a chance in hell
#2 at 13:54:22 - 26/03/2009
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Got a new name for the project though.

"Cloud Cuckooland"


#3 at 14:14:02 - 26/03/2009
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Still, they could use the tech to thin-client something less demanding like WoW to all manner of client hardware.
#4 at 15:01:03 - 26/03/2009
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Now that might actually be a selling point. Allowing rednecks to play WoW low end would sell a million of those boxes.
#5 at 15:03:23 - 26/03/2009
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WoW already runs on PCs that would struggle with anything released within the last year or two, going to all the bother of client/server for that wouldn't be cost effective.
#6 at 15:13:47 - 26/03/2009
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Depends how cheap they make it. If they bundled the box with a WoW sub for a month, and the game, and the addons in a redneck friendly package it might do OK.

Oddly enough all the talk of the gaming side of things made me wonder why there isn't a device like this for home friendly apps like email / browsing...something that just remotely taps into a PC and just allows you to do a bit of low end stuff without having to go to the expense of having a PC, sticking antivirus on it etc...

Anyway, makes no diff...the project's doomed to failure.
#7 at 15:19:33 - 26/03/2009
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It's possible they might be able to find applications for some subset of the technology, tbh though I get the impression the guys behind it are just making the bold claims in the hope of getting some investment or even a sale of the company before they actually have to prove it can do what they say it does.
#8 at 15:41:24 - 26/03/2009
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Yup that's the way I read it too. All those who went "hands on" with the tech said that it really didn't quite live up to the lack of latency hype the devs were quoting, despite being run at the optimum connection speeds etc. If they can't manage that in a tech demo at a show over a LAN, they've got fuck all chance of managing it over the real live internet on a home BB connection. Not a hope.

Got people talking though, which is good.
#9 at 15:49:09 - 26/03/2009
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Looking into threads like this is a little bit like watching cavemen scared o fire ;-) I'm seriously dubious as to whether they're going to pull it off but crikey I never realised how closed-minded some folks are :-D
#10 at 16:22:10 - 26/03/2009
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Realistic, closed minded. You say potato, I say poe-tar-toe

Seriously though Neko's hit the nail on the head. And as Richie Leadbeter said on EG, I'd love to see them prove everyone wrong :)
#11 at 16:23:45 - 26/03/2009
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peej said:Oddly enough all the talk of the gaming side of things made me wonder why there isn't a device like this for home friendly apps like email / browsing...something that just remotely taps into a PC and just allows you to do a bit of low end stuff without having to go to the expense of having a PC, sticking antivirus on it etc...


Didn't some of the old NTL cable TV boxes do something like this 10 years ago? Slow as you like and no proper peripherals as far as I remember.

It's a good idea though, especially when compared with the mainstream availbility of netbooks. Get a server to do all the crunching and use a netbook or tablet device as a glorified monitor, mouse and keyboard.
#12 at 16:41:38 - 26/03/2009
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Hardly closed minded to know that someone saying they've got the Brooklyn Bridge for sale is almost certainly lying.
#13 at 18:13:49 - 26/03/2009
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Whizzo said:Hardly closed minded to know that someone saying they've got the Brooklyn Bridge for sale is almost certainly lying.


As I say, I'm skeptical but I'm intrigued to see if they've acheieved anything like what they're claiming.

VG247 had a good recipe for laughter:

- a 5meg ADSL line gives you a bandwidth of 625kb a second.
- At 60fps (and removing sound from the equation), that means every frame has to fit into 10 kilobytes.
- Take a 1280x720 screenshot of any game and save it as a jpg or png that gets as close to 10kb as you can.
- LAWL loudly
#14 at 19:13:04 - 26/03/2009
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Except that video compression doesn't work the same way as image compression; only the changes between frames need to be captured (although when playing most games, I'm guessing there must be a higher proportion of changes per frame than in your typical movie)...

That said, I still think this is very much a pipe dream and/or investment exercise. Even if all the huge (some might say, insurmountable) technical challenges can be overcome, I fail to see how it can realistically compete with the current console hardware model.

#15 at 09:32:52 - 27/03/2009
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Yeah, I know that bit. But try and find a DIVX file with a bitrate of around 650kpbs and it'll give you an idea of how images might look through Onlive's 5meg service
#16 at 09:41:16 - 27/03/2009
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I think the answer to that is "not as good as even the lowest end console could offer once the service is established enough"

I can understand it as a demo service perhaps. People wanting to get a quick playable version of something before they float a load of cash on it, but PC demos are freely available anyway.

I hate to be cynical about this, it would be fantastic if someone could provide a set-top low cost solution that would allow you to play top PC games without all the muss, fuss and bother of having to spec and own a PC yourself - but the tech stats are just stacked so high against this ever being viable that I reckon you'll be hooting with laughter at the mere mention of OnLive by the time E3 2010 rolls around.
#17 at 09:48:45 - 27/03/2009
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Oh, I agree totally. If there was just one major technical hurdle to vault, then maybe I'd think this might stand a chance; as it is there seem to be about half a dozen, and they're all very tall.

And for reference, Microsoft are claiming WMV9 can compress 720p at 24fps to a 5-8mbps stream; no mention if this is realtime though...
#18 at 10:07:47 - 27/03/2009
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Even during the LAN based tech demo though, people reported the games breaking up, glitching, pausing etc. TBH I've had a buttload of that happening on console games as it is, I don't want it happening on high end PC stuff because that's my oasis of vaguely predictable technical wizardry and reliability out of the platforms I game on actively.

#19 at 10:15:33 - 27/03/2009
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I'm stunned; it looks like this is actually going to happen. Pre-register now!

Also, commentary at DQ. As Bill says: $15/month for what? Not the right to play games, that's for sure: "full versions of games [...] are to be purchased or rented separately."

I still think this will fall flat on its ass.
#20 at 08:57:19 - 11/03/2010
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$15 a month just to use the service? Hahaha fuck off.

Can you imagine how quickly Live Gold accounts would be dropped if MS tried that?

#21 at 09:46:42 - 11/03/2010
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Assuming that this ends up a service worth using, wouldn't the monthly charge still be worth it considering you're not splashing out on lots of expensive hardware all the time?
#22 at 10:05:48 - 11/03/2010
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Nope. $15 a month, $180 a year. That would get you a decent gfx card on its own :)
#23 at 10:08:32 - 11/03/2010
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He's right.

At least here on AATG you can slag the service off without getting an ear bashing. There's a weird amount of praise being heaped on this, considering what it's offering.

#24 at 10:18:37 - 11/03/2010
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Okay (spot the person who has no idea how much a graphics card costs or how often you buy one).

Then, what if the service stretches across loads of devices. Like with one subscription you can play on your PC, a set-top-box, a console, a mobile device, even a friend's house? Then it could be worth it. Not to mention, XBL has a monthly fee and you have to buy games on top to make use of it.
#25 at 10:22:48 - 11/03/2010
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You still have to buy games for this but the difference is, if you cancel your subscription, what are you left with? You don't get to own anything. You can't play any of the games you've paid for without the OnLive subscription, and there's nothing to trade in to get some of your money back.

At least with XBLA, any games you do buy are yours to play, even if you later revert to a Silver account. (You still can't trade them of course, but that's digital downloads for you.)
#26 at 10:46:13 - 11/03/2010
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Onlive is now on Android.

Also join now and get Lego Android for free.

Personally I'll hardly use it but admittedly it's just cool to see AMAZING PC-level graphics on my smartphone screen.
#27 at 14:53:10 - 10/12/2011
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Quite interesting reading your scathing criticisms back when this was first announced guys.

:D
#28 at 12:35:38 - 12/12/2011
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I stand by mine, even though I didn't post any.
#29 at 22:51:25 - 12/12/2011
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I stand by mine and note they've dropped the flat $15 sub that I said was stupid.
#30 at 10:36:11 - 13/12/2011

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