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Kay
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Racing sims are supposed to be boring, right? All that slow driving, taking corners easily, racing for dozens of laps around the same circuit, spending hours tuning cars just to get a slightly better lap time... not for me.

So why am I so tempted by GT PSP? I'm blaming the various vids floating around showing exotic cars in luscious 60fps gameplay. Plus, apparently there's a car collecting element to the game that sounds really addictive. Never played a GT before, so will it be a bit too sim-like for my tastes and leave me cold? Or am I completely wrong with my earlier assessment and there'll be something in there to satisfy arcade racer fans?
#1 at 15:01:45 - 14/09/2009
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Well there is (or at least there was) an arcade mode to the game. It's not really fair to call it a sim either, it sort of falls somewhere in between in that difficult middle ground. I still find the handling model on GT games bloody awkward and horrible at times, but it does get more fun the more you play it, and car porn even in portable form is always good, in my book.

Problem is, it's entering such a packed field of racers for this time of year and I'm still waiting to see how Split Second / Blur turn out (though I think they've slipped through to 2010 now)
#2 at 15:43:05 - 14/09/2009
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It's not really in the same ball-park as Blur/Split Second though, is it? Those are even more arcadey than PGR, as far as I can tell - and the PGR series was always more arcadey than GT.

GT used to be what console gamers called a sim. Then came games like F355 Challenge and Race Pro and GT and Forza became just another niche, albeit a pretty important one.

But it's a bit different on handhelds I guess. GT PSP will probably be the most realistic car game on handhelds, right?
#3 at 18:52:34 - 14/09/2009
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I'll never enjoy another GT game as much as I enjoyed GT3 because I can no longer sit down and play non-stop for an entire weekend. This makes me a sad panda.
#4 at 20:50:35 - 14/09/2009
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mal said:It's not really in the same ball-park as Blur/Split Second though, is it? Those are even more arcadey than PGR, as far as I can tell - and the PGR series was always more arcadey than GT.


Good god no, not the same ball park, even the same continent but I think my tastes are moving further and further away from stale stats-twiddling track racers and more towards the action stuff. I'm still waiting for this gen's perfect Burnout substitute (though Burnout Revenge and Paradise were really good, I can't help thinking that developers could eke so much more out of the 360 and the PS3 if they ditched this "free roaming huge cityscape" idea and concentrated on tightly designed and nicely tricky circuit stuff.

I will undoubtedly grab Forza 3 because that durned FF wheel needs to pay for itself in some small way (plus I love a bit of car pron) and if the Top Gear stuff is still in GT 5 I'll have that too - but I'm still not 100% sold on GT PSP, if for no other reason than I know how utterly painful the PSP is for extended gaming
#5 at 23:55:21 - 14/09/2009
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I have to admit the car porn aspect of it sounds good - I really enjoyed PGR4 for example (that's the closest thing to a realistic racer I've properly played through). Silly question probably, but how does GT handling compare to stuff like PGR anyway? Is it relatively easy to drift/powerslide around and have fun with the faster cars? Not that I mind any game you have to work at to get good, but it has to be a little fun to begin with.

It's true that there's too many other racers coming out, but tbh I reckon the pick up and play nature of racing games is much more suited to portables than home consoles - the reason why I put so many hours into the RRs, Burnouts and Wipeouts on the PSP. I'm interested to see how the new Bizarre racing game turns out (is that Blur?), but other than that, not bothered with anything home console-wise.
#6 at 01:24:38 - 15/09/2009
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One of the things I wish they'd put back in is the secondhand car stuff. In the first Gran Turismo, half the fun was being strapped for cash, buying an old clunker, doing it up to race specs then taking it out on the track and toasting the opposition. It was quite something to see just how many cars they managed to squeeze into the game from the various manufacturers involved.

I'd almost recommend grabbing GT1 Kay, if you can stand the iffy graphics (by today's standards) it's an incredible game when you put it in context.
#7 at 10:49:12 - 15/09/2009
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isn't this essentially a straight-up port of GT4?
#8 at 10:56:34 - 15/09/2009
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Pretty much - but GT4 was pretty good wasn't it?
#9 at 11:14:51 - 15/09/2009
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frod said:isn't this essentially a straight-up port of GT4?
How can it be a port of GT4? Hasn't this been in development since Babbage came up with his difference engine?
#10 at 11:37:07 - 15/09/2009
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I was wrong, it's a terrible port of GT4.

No career mode, 7/10 on EG, 6.8 on IGN UK.

Wow.
#11 at 19:20:47 - 15/09/2009
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GT4 wasn't much better either. :)
#12 at 19:35:30 - 15/09/2009
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6.7 from CVG now. Score is heading South.
#13 at 20:09:39 - 15/09/2009
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Ouch!
#14 at 20:12:13 - 15/09/2009
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Well, fuck that then.
#15 at 21:08:01 - 15/09/2009
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peej said:I'd almost recommend grabbing GT1 Kay, if you can stand the iffy graphics (by today's standards) it's an incredible game when you put it in context.


Yeah, I did give GT2 (which had two discs iirc - Arcade and Simulation) a try on the PSP a while back, but was overwhelmed by all the options and it seemed way too serious for my needs. Seems like they've cut this PSP version down a little too much though, so I might just stick that back on and give it a proper try.
#16 at 21:10:09 - 15/09/2009
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frod said:I was wrong, it's a terrible port of GT4.

No career mode, 7/10 on EG, 6.8 on IGN UK.

Wow.


Wow indeed. Wasn't expecting that!
#17 at 22:55:25 - 15/09/2009
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That CVG review is very scathing.
#18 at 00:13:58 - 16/09/2009
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Hmm, it doesn't sound like a game you'd want to play for hours on end, but isn't it supposed to be a pick-up-and-play sort of game ie. you just race a race or two and than do something else?
You couldn't really use the same progression system as in the console versions of GT. I don't think people would enjoy that.
From what I can gather from the two or so reviews I've read the game sounds pretty good if you approach it like that. You get money for everything, so even if you only play while commuting you will have enough money for a Ferrari eventually. The races are random which should allow you to have fun with whatever car you choose and that every race is a little bit different depending on the car you choose.
#19 at 00:22:42 - 16/09/2009
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PSP has a sleep mode, and a save function. I really don't see the problem. As I said elsewhere, it's like removing the story and levelling up from an RPG.

I've seen the 'bu bu pick up and play' argument elsewhere and it just doesn't wash. Nothing stops a career mode from being pick up and play - there's no real need to enforce people to sit down for a long time, nor remember a lot of detail. GT1,2,3 and 4 are easily described as 'pick up and play' (endurance races aside, which are clearly not too important).
#20 at 00:58:52 - 16/09/2009
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"Endless grinding, no sense of achievement", "No incentive to buy cars" - bits that stand out from the CVG review. Basically the whole game seems to be about collecting cars, just so you can race them and... collect even more cars. Nothing to aim for, no medals or championships or any meaningful unlockables.

Add in the lack of online multiplayer (or leaderboards!), and you've got a soulless portable experience, no matter how impressive it may be technically.
#21 at 01:04:31 - 16/09/2009
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It's obvious, they've accidentally forgotten the "Prologue" part of the title on this bare bones release.

I can't see this troubling the UMD drive on my PSP any time soon.
#22 at 01:17:49 - 16/09/2009
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@frod: Well, that's just my interpretation of the reviews I've read. I didn't know that you can pause the PSP. :)
#23 at 10:48:46 - 16/09/2009
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Lack of career is an issue, but for me, as long as I can pick it up and hotlap around the Nordschleife in a Ferrari it'll do just what I need it to do - break up all the other games that really do eat up the hours.
#24 at 11:02:17 - 16/09/2009
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Syrok said:I didn't know that you can pause the PSP. :)


Indeed. In fact, thanks to the sleep function, the PSP would be ideal for those long B-Spec races.

I suppose B-Spec is gone too though, seeing as it's part of the career mode. :(
#25 at 14:37:21 - 16/09/2009
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If this had turned out awesome I would almost have bought a psp. Dingbats.
#26 at 15:07:31 - 17/09/2009
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Hmm, my main fear for this after playing GT1 and 2 as EBOOT rips was that career mode wouldn't suit on-the-go play, it seems Polyphony may have gone the extreme opposite way.

They build a stunning, peerless game engine, but the progression paths they create have been knackered ever since GT3. GT4's map was a scattered, disjointed confusing mishmash which made it a chore to get through. And the 4 subgames released since have been equally unsatisfying.

I've never seen such potentially fantastic games ruined so comprehensively by menus, structure and presentation before.

I'll still be buying it though, it'd have to be smeared in excrement to not be worth splashing £18 squid on a GT game.
#27 at 19:46:33 - 17/09/2009
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Well.

I like it :-)
#28 at 17:08:14 - 02/10/2009
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My copy didn't turn up in the post, knowing my postie I probably won't see it till feckin' Monday now.
#29 at 00:23:21 - 03/10/2009
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Wow, this looks really rough. I seriously wondered if they'd dumped in the PS1 version by mistake, but the decent car models and 60fps does go some way to making up for the crappy graphics. Oh, and the music is awful too.

So, not impressed presentation-wise, and not too impressed gameplay-wise at the moment either. The car I started off with was the Mini, which may look nice but is slow as fuck, and taking it around the track was a complete chore. Did a few quick races last night as well as a couple of the driving challenges, I'm guessing once you start collecting all the good cars it'll become more interesting and fun. If not then I won't bother.
#30 at 11:43:07 - 13/10/2009

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