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oneiros
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Amazon are releasing the Kindle in the UK next month and, at 109 for the wi-fi (ie. non-3G) version, I must say I'm sorely tempted. The only thing that puts me off is that (I'm assuming) the books you buy are still all locked via DRM and can't be kept should you ever wish to move to an alternative platform. Anyone have any experience of this?
#1 at 12:52:56 - 30/07/2010
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Really pretty aren't they?

Why would you need 3G on one of these by the way? Does it have a browser in too?
#2 at 13:59:22 - 30/07/2010
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Hate to say it but get an iPad.

:)
#3 at 14:01:00 - 30/07/2010
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oneiros said:Amazon are releasing the Kindle in the UK next month and, at 109 for the wi-fi (ie. non-3G) version, I must say I'm sorely tempted. The only thing that puts me off is that (I'm assuming) the books you buy are still all locked via DRM and can't be kept should you ever wish to move to an alternative platform. Anyone have any experience of this?


The DRM thing is true to a point, there are Kindle apps/programs for every platform I can think of, including PCs and iPod/ipads so it's not really an issue. The only problem would be if Amazon stopped supporting it. If you buy for one, it's available on all.

Kindles are a fine, relatively low cost, alternative. Hairy is right that you're better off with an iPad if money/not sitting in a very bright place to read are not issues.
#4 at 15:47:45 - 30/07/2010
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Another vote for the iPad.
I've got the Kindle reader on there as well as iBooks. It's great to be able to read in bed with the light off, so as not to disturb Mrs Boo.
#5 at 15:52:02 - 30/07/2010
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Boo said:Another vote for the iPad.
I've got the Kindle reader on there as well as iBooks. It's great to be able to read in bed with the light off, so as not to disturb Mrs Boo.


With the recommendation of making sure your iPad wallpaper isn't bright so when you switch out of kindle/iBooks from some night time reading you don't blind yourself :)
#6 at 17:27:02 - 30/07/2010
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The 3G is for free net access worldwide. You can buy books, have your newspapers/RSS feeds sent to you and on the new model there's a basic web-browser

Suggesting an iPad when someone's looking at a Kindle is a bit of an odd move too. One's 4 times the price of the other for a start. It's like suggesting a Range Rover Sport when someone's looking for a Clio :-)
#7 at 19:47:15 - 30/07/2010
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Hey guys, I also want one of these 109 iPads you seem to be waxing lyrical over, which website is that?

Also, I hate the design of the Kindle, even if it does actually look acceptable these days compared to the monstrosity it was before. And Amazon still don't support epub, right? Fuck them right in their fucking faces. Be a cool kid like me and get a Sony Reader instead.
#8 at 23:53:45 - 30/07/2010
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I like the Sony Reader and have been seriously close to picking one up but the new Kindle looks to be a really nice design plus books are dirt cheap on the store. It still takes every fileformat you can throw at it (barring ePub) and book files are a piece of piss to convert any anyway...
#9 at 01:19:46 - 31/07/2010
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I just don't need a keypad on there, or access to the store from the unit. If they ditched that (say, on the cheapo version) I would probably like the redesign a whole lot.
#10 at 09:32:44 - 31/07/2010
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ilmaestro said:
Hey guys, I also want one of these 109 iPads you seem to be waxing lyrical over, which website is that?

Indeed. I'm sure the iPad is the better option but I'm not planning on spending 400+ on something to read books on.

I guess buying an electronic book that can only be read on one family of devices is a little (well, a lot) like buying a downloadable game for a particular console. When I get rid of my 360 in how ever many years time, I'll no longer be able to play Limbo, Braid, Shadow Complex, etc. The difference is, I probably won't want to; there'll always be something new (and hopefully, better) to play instead.

Books aren't quite like that. I first read LOTR about 25 years ago, but I still return to it every few years and see myself doing so for the rest of my life. I recently saw Dune on my bookshelf and decided to read it again for the first time in maybe 10-15 years; I don't mind owning digital versions of things, but I want to own them and keep them, not have them rendered useless when technology moves on.

Which brings me back to the Kindle and its DRM. A quick search would suggest there are ways of breaking the link between the book file and the account it was bought for, returning the file to a standard Mobipocket file. Can this then be converted to an 'open' format like EPUB?
#11 at 10:43:46 - 31/07/2010
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I started reading your post and was halfway through spluttering "DUDE!" and typing out a reply, when I read the second half of your post and managed to calm down. ^^;
#12 at 12:17:07 - 31/07/2010
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There is an awful lot of misconception around about ereaders. People complain they don't handle textbooks well, people complain they don't do images well, people complain they're not all singing and dancing multimedia devices.

An e ink reader lets you read books as close to the experience of reading a paper book as possible.

It when they get identity crisis's and start fling lots of other features in that things start getting silly.

109, providing the build quality is good, is a fantastic price IMHO.
#13 at 12:08:24 - 02/08/2010
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Sony need to drop the price of the PRS300 to 99 really.
#14 at 12:10:14 - 02/08/2010
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billdoor said:
109, providing the build quality is good, is a fantastic price IMHO.

That's what I was thinking, and so were plenty of others by the look of it - the first hardware allocation has sold out.

@ilmaestro: Sorry, I've no idea what you're trying to say to me...
#15 at 14:15:04 - 02/08/2010
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All of these can FO until I can get the latest books on 'em for cheaper than their paper counterparts.

Same goes for MP3 downloads. I can get a cased CD and rip it for half the price of an MP3 download in shit quality..

/chucks sabot into spinning loom
#16 at 17:36:55 - 02/08/2010
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oneiros said:@ilmaestro: Sorry, I've no idea what you're trying to say to me...

You said "I guess buying an electronic book that can only be read on one family of devices is a little (well, a lot) like buying a downloadable game for a particular console" and I was spluttering my rebuke all over the place, but then you explained yourself. :)
#17 at 22:08:51 - 02/08/2010
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peej said:All of these can FO until I can get the latest books on 'em for cheaper than their paper counterparts.

Same goes for MP3 downloads. I can get a cased CD and rip it for half the price of an MP3 download in shit quality..

/chucks sabot into spinning loom


Not sure where you're looking but Amazon frequently do MP3s for cheaper than the CDs and the Kindle store is also superbly priced too - download the iPod Kindle app and take a look through the store
#18 at 22:50:17 - 02/08/2010
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I'm still waiting to see what the prices will be like on the UK store tbh. You can get cheap ebooks on other US sites anyway, but not on the UK sites that currently sell them, in general.
#19 at 01:41:11 - 03/08/2010
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This always springs to mind when I think of ebook pricing.
#20 at 10:48:36 - 03/08/2010
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ilmaestro said:I'm still waiting to see what the prices will be like on the UK store tbh. You can get cheap ebooks on other US sites anyway, but not on the UK sites that currently sell them, in general.


On the Uk Kindle store? I assumed Amazon were going to carry on going through the US store for it.

Most of there stuff on there is the same, or cheaper, than the paper form.
#21 at 23:29:40 - 04/08/2010
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No, they're opening a UK store. And like I say, ebook prices are generally not as "bad" in the States as they are here (although Amazon are still the best), and it would hardly be the first instance of us being charged more than the yankee doodle dandies for something.
#22 at 07:17:58 - 05/08/2010
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Amazon were in trouble with publishers in the States for charging too *little* for books. The bigger publishers won over there but along with the news of the store itself, Amazon stated that they'd sorted out rights with the publishers to be able to set prices themselves.
#23 at 09:01:14 - 05/08/2010
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Looking around the store at the moment the top 100 is around 30% free stuff (Gutenberg material), 30% set at $12 and the rest seems to be around the $6 mark. If Amazon try to keep the same ratio we're probably looking at 5 and 10.

I think they've hit the right price though - even my mum's now looking at getting one with my grandad to follow (he a *voracious* reader, going through about 10 a month)
#24 at 09:08:20 - 05/08/2010
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Oh, they've definitely hit a great price - somewhat unbelievable, almost - with the actual unit. I imagine they must be at the absolute lowest point they can afford to go though, otherwise they'd have surely made it the "magic" 99.99.

Will be interesting to see what Sony's response is, I could quite ridiculously easily imagine a situation where I used a low-end reader from each of Amazon and Sony, and a high end one from one or the other.
#25 at 09:36:09 - 05/08/2010
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I'd almost decided to get a Kindle to take on holiday with me in September, but now I'm thinking I may wait until the UK store is online, and then ask for one for Christmas. My wife and parents always struggle for stuff to get me.

Shite; it's August and I'm thinking about Christmas already...
#26 at 09:59:59 - 05/08/2010
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When in September are you leaving? They're already saying "expected" delivery of 4th September if you order now, so you haven't got too long to make that decision.
#27 at 10:28:52 - 05/08/2010
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Funnily enough the store went live a couple of hours after I made that post and it's better than I'd thought.


#28 at 00:16:10 - 06/08/2010
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Weird, my post didn't come out complete. Anyway, the store is showing prices of 2-4 quid, which is great Imo
#29 at 12:00:43 - 06/08/2010
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Yeah a lot of newer or more popular books are at a great price point. Still a lot of catalog titles in the 6-8 range, though. Would just love to see them offer a real budget model with no wireless or keyboard, then I might be tempted.
#30 at 22:33:38 - 06/08/2010

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