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Couldn't see one...

So anyone getting one? Had no real interest until I saw Dance Central and Kinectimals. Yes, I have now entered the zone of the casual gamer :(

I fully expect the former to be fun for 5 minutes and the latter to be utter tripe, but I couldn't resisit.

Anyone know when the embargo is definitely lifted? I presume we should see some Stateside reviews about Midnight on the east coast?
#1 at 22:25:53 - 03/11/2010
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I pre-ordered the Kinect+Dance Central bundle from Zavvi back in July for 130, unfortunately they're warning they may not be able to send it until the week after launch which is a bit of a bummer.

Still with it effectively having DC thrown in for nothing, plus the Quidco I'm only a bit disappointed.
#2 at 00:11:53 - 04/11/2010
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Has anyone dubbed the Harmonix game 'Prance Central' yet?
#3 at 00:14:34 - 04/11/2010
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this whole side of MS, from the Rare NXE avatars onwards just makes me want to puke. Kietnc is the culmination of it all I guess.
#4 at 08:44:04 - 04/11/2010
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Interesting reviews this morning, mostly very mixed but laying on the positive side. Dance Central looked to be the most promising title in the run-up to launch but apparently it's a bit lacking, wheras Kinectimals has actually taken the award for "best, most complete launch title".

Be interesting to see what "real" people make of it. Most reviews mention the finicky nature of the setup process, the pronounced lag and that the profile recognition is unreliable.

From the reactions I saw on people's faces in the local Game I don't doubt the "5 million sales" (especially when Sony sold 2 million Moves without any marketing push whatsoever) claim but it's becoming clear that this is Microsoft's Wii. I think it'll be a long while before gamers see any truly substantial or original games on there, especially if Microsoft continue to ban develeopers from mixing Kinect with standard controls.
#5 at 09:01:15 - 04/11/2010
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Rhythm said:... Kinectimals has actually taken the award for "best, most complete launch title".

... reviews mention the finicky nature of the setup process, the pronounced lag and that the profile recognition is unreliable.

... Microsoft continue to ban develeopers from mixing Kinect with standard controls.

This is all making me feel a litte bit ill.

I was moderately excited when I knew less about it. :-/
#6 at 09:49:28 - 04/11/2010
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Sounds like the space issue is going to be the real issue for me. Even downstairs there'd have to be some serious moving around to get 6-8 ft between the sofa and the telly. Bloody daft of MS to not offer some sort of tweak for the camera lenses to allow it to take in a smaller space.

See, now that right there is going to be a real issue if the hybrid pad / kinect games ever materialise. You're going to need a fucking set of binoculars to read the text of any game that needs you to use kinect and a pad but still sit a mile away from your telly.
#7 at 10:14:11 - 04/11/2010
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I realise that Kinect is slightly different, but as a Wii owner for a few years now, the whole motion control deal gives me no excitement whatsoever.
#8 at 10:20:54 - 04/11/2010
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Yeah, the Wired write-up comments on the space requirements. Also mentions that there's little point in playing it during daylight if you're in a South-facing room. This is an issue for Wii and Move too though
#9 at 10:21:41 - 04/11/2010
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EG are quoting a Microsoft exec who reckons that hybrid games are just round the corner. Read the interview and he lays out nothing concrete and even says that where hybrid games exist all the controls will still exist on the controller itself, which seems a little beside the point
#10 at 10:29:27 - 04/11/2010
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Maybe they'll start using kinect for a bit of head / body capping stuff. I was always a bit sad not to see that take off more in games post Rainbow Six: Vegas. There was something quite satisfying about taking out your friends in that, even if they did look a bit gimped.

Sunlight killing the thing isn't really much of an issue. Surely no one's going to play Dance Central with the curtains open are they?

As for Kinect's method of pointing and selecting, I bet you wish you hadn't moaned about Move's inaccurate pointing now!
#11 at 10:41:49 - 04/11/2010
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After trying to play some Flight Control last night I'm still more than happy to complain about the Move pointing ;-)
#12 at 10:43:38 - 04/11/2010
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Hmmm not tried that yet but both Time Crisis: Razing Storm and The Shoot were pinpoint accurate for me, and I'm absolutely as fussy as hell about lightgun games.

The more I read Wired's article, the more I can see Microsoft having to admit that you need a physical interface at times and probably going back on the whole "You don't need a controller" thing and producing (at the very least) an analogue trigger / set of buttons on a nunchuck-style add on.

Read the Wired bit on Kinect Sports. Kinect can't tell you're rotating your wrist so that instantly bollockses up Ping Pong. Kinect can't even tell when you've let go of something so that makes Bowling a bit too smoke-and-mirrors-ey.

This is the sort of stuff I expressed concerns about back when Kinect was Project Natal and was going head to head with Sony's unnamed offering at E3 a couple of years back and it looks like it's all coming true now the thing's actually being pawed by proper gamers rather than dozy american night time telly presenters or useless game coverage editors for newspapers
#13 at 10:51:05 - 04/11/2010
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I really want it though.

I wonder hoe much Blockies will give me for an 80gb fat PS3? :D
#14 at 12:21:22 - 04/11/2010
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Yeah, I'm just super glad I didn't preorder it atm.

Although I don't understand how "Also mentions that there's little point in playing it during daylight if you're in a South-facing room" is really a legit/practical "complaint".
#15 at 17:25:49 - 04/11/2010
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I think some of the coverage has been pretty positive but again a lot of people have pointed out the massive problem with relying purely on motion detection for some of the practicalities of gaming in different genres.

Driving games just plainly won't ever work satisfyingly. No way of accelerating / braking so the developers have to design all that in to be automated - which robs players of the whole point of interaction with a driving game - seeing how far you can push it before you have to brake and seeing how quick you can pull away again after a corner.

It's not just Joy Ride that sounds broken. Hearing people talking about the fact that Kinect "makes guesses" when you're interacting with any in-game objects that require you to throw or let go of them, again just sounds a bit weak.

On the positive side though, the titles that I thought would do well are seemingly as great fun to play and really revolutionary as people hoped they would be.

So far though I think the wise money's on keeping your hand in your pocket and not dishing out any cash on it just yet. Wait for a while and see what happens with the next few Kinect titles.

(course, I'm already preordering the thing so my money's far from wise but if there isn't at least one hoot of derisive laughter from gathered friends and family at Maybe Towers this christmas, I'll want my money back!)
#16 at 17:33:33 - 04/11/2010
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ilmaestro said:Yeah, I'm just super glad I didn't preorder it atm.

Although I don't understand how "Also mentions that there's little point in playing it during daylight if you're in a South-facing room" is really a legit/practical "complaint".


It's a pretty valid complaint when you live in my house. I already have two game systems I can't use during daylight. I'd have appreciated some warning about that fact :-)
#17 at 19:45:11 - 04/11/2010
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Reminds me of how Eyepet wouldn't recognise my skin in the evening under artificial light.

So annoying.
#18 at 19:57:56 - 04/11/2010
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NewYork said:Reminds me of how Eyepet wouldn't recognise my skin in the evening under artificial light.

So annoying.


Stealth "I played Eyepet naked whilst trying to do rudies to the pet" post.
#19 at 21:26:03 - 04/11/2010
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Eeew!
#20 at 21:30:09 - 04/11/2010
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HOT!
#21 at 22:05:40 - 04/11/2010
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Rhythm said:
ilmaestro said:Yeah, I'm just super glad I didn't preorder it atm.

Although I don't understand how "Also mentions that there's little point in playing it during daylight if you're in a South-facing room" is really a legit/practical "complaint".


It's a pretty valid complaint when you live in my house. I already have two game systems I can't use during daylight. I'd have appreciated some warning about that fact :-)

Pro tip: buy some curtains. Video games are not an outdoor activity.
#22 at 22:50:12 - 04/11/2010
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Heh, I have blinds but even the tiny gaps are enough to confuse the WiiMote and they even get in the way of Move. With Kinect being so infrared sensitive it causes problems there too, apparently
#23 at 23:53:39 - 04/11/2010
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Same here. Spose I could move my kit to the nipper's room and use her blackout blinds.
#24 at 09:32:19 - 05/11/2010
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I think if it was sunny I'd just go outside.
#25 at 14:47:47 - 05/11/2010
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I don't even understand the concept of buying curtains/blinds that don't actually block out the sun, so I still don't see it as a complaint about anything other than your house.
#26 at 16:26:09 - 05/11/2010
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Some people don't even have blinds/curtains.

I'm not aware of any other technical items that don't work due to sunlight. I'm sure everyone would be just as forgiving of a cooker if it didn't cook stuff as soon as snow turned up outside, or a washing machine that refused to fill up with water if it was partially cloudy.
#27 at 16:51:51 - 05/11/2010
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I reckon the room size / static object interference and other stuff Kotaku covered in their stress test showed more amusing kinks in Kinect's armour than it just not working in bright sunlight. For all the talk about 3D and producing high definition screens that offer the brightest of bright clarity, we still have modern devices that are absolutely governed by the weather :)
#28 at 16:55:14 - 05/11/2010
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Some people (70% of my neighbours) never open their curtains. Probably vampires and zombies.

I wish I was under 10. I think I'd be playing Kinectimals constantly. It looks ace. :)
#29 at 16:56:38 - 05/11/2010
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Screw being under ten, I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up getting that. Not for my daughter mind - for me!

It actually looks like it's got more substance than most of the other Kinect launch titles and controlling an RC Warthog looked brilliant.
#30 at 16:58:29 - 05/11/2010

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