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No official thread? Wow, anticipation's high for this one then!

It's not bad. Move controls are absolutely lovely but make your arm ache. 3D is alright, but gets annoyingly blurry and makes the (already iffy and disjointed) framerates drop like a dead donkey.

On the whole though, if you loved the 2nd you'll probably love this but for me this year, Resistance 3 looks like it'll blow me away more.

Review a la the mythical front page (for the single player bit)
#1 at 15:21:20 - 17/02/2011
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I didn't even know it was coming out until someone mentioned it to me a couple of weeks ago.

Surprised to hear you say "if you loved the 2nd", peej, all the stuff I've read since actually realizing the game existed makes it sound like they threw out the stuff that was awesome about the second game and made it another generic mainstream shooter.
#2 at 18:06:14 - 17/02/2011
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I guess it was the only way I could put into words how someone who'd been hotly anticipating Killzone 3 could possibly find any love for it. To me, every single moment of Killzone 2 felt like a grind and felt wholly unremarkable in a market that is absolutely packed to the gills with FPS games all jostling for your coin and your attention.

This year Killzone 3 will go up against so many different games across so many different platforms but the reason it should've been better is that as a PS3 exclusive it's supposed to act as a bit of an ambassador for the machine, for Sony's pet developers and for the genre itself.

It does none of those things, in fact it goes to show that some game series definitely shouldn't have lasted past the first game.

I guess the point I was trying to make was "if you loved Killzone 2 you're probably going to be more likely to forgive 3's meh-ness"

I didn't, so I'm doubly resolute that it's a hastily thrown together hotch potch of ideas underpinned by dreadful level design, and a random mix of good and awful graphics.

Best bit about the game is the delicious symphonic tune that plays over the game's introduction menus.
#3 at 09:24:23 - 18/02/2011
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That makes a lot more sense, "if you're a fanboy" rather than "if you're a fan", cheers. :)

Would you agree it plays more like a generic shooter though, rather than the having the pace and feel of the second game, regardless of whether you liked it or not?
#4 at 13:04:38 - 18/02/2011
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Tough to say because I thought Killzone 2 was about as generic as it got. It had a better pace, in that it did actually feel like you were working towards some big finale whereas KZ3 feels like the main protagonists are just pissing around all over the place with no real agenda.

Some of the new cover system dynamics are alright, the reliance on the sixaxis motion control for bomb priming and timing is annoying and shouldn't be there (not at this stage of the PS3's lifecycle when anyone who's anyone won't touch that type of control method for ancillary tasks with a barge pole).

TBH if you really are interested in where the story goes after KZ2, that's pretty much the only reason to grab it on day one. Otherwise I would seriously wait until A) it's ludicrously cheap and B) you really haven't got any other games vying for your attention.
#5 at 13:55:32 - 18/02/2011
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Wow, yeah, can't believe there is SIXAXIS motion control stupidity still in PS3 games at this stage.

Cheers for the feedback, even if I can't understand your opinion on KZ2 at all, lol.
#6 at 16:21:49 - 18/02/2011
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I think it probably just boils down to having played way too many FPS games.

#7 at 16:30:13 - 18/02/2011
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I was hoping the co-op campaign was going to be online, but unfortunately it is split screen only :-(

I'm hoping Resistance 3 will offer up some online, co-op action. I will pick KZ3 eventually as I did enjoy the second game, but I think I'll wait until it hits the Platinum range.
#8 at 22:28:18 - 18/02/2011
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Going back to Killzone 2 last night to finish it (I never did) - it's a hell of a lot tougher than I remember. I tried and failed one sequence so many times last night that I almost gave up again, but in the end a bit of rush and flank worked OK.

The controls on Killzone 2 feel looser - though that could be because Killzone 3 has needed a bit of a nut tightening somewhere to compensate for being able to move between Move and Joypad with ease.

So it's a lot harder to target and kill in Killzone 2 than in 3.

Otherwise, graphically the main change is that 2 had that sucky pixellated "we're trying to hide the tearing" thing going on, where everything looks like you're viewing it through some bizarre noise filter. 3 only has that in some sequences.

The other main change is that they've actually made the character models (for the ISA guys at least) look far far worse in 3 than in 2. It's like all the effort went into making the Helghast look as cool as possible, while the ISA just look like a bunch of strung-out dorks.

#9 at 09:18:54 - 21/02/2011
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peej said:Going back to Killzone 2 last night to finish it (I never did)

Oh, neither did I, despite loving it. Fuck that sequence before the last boss, rockets just killing me from splash damage all the time.
#10 at 15:18:17 - 21/02/2011
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Eek, haven't got there yet but if the 'train bit' is anything to go by, I can't see me ever finishing it if there's tougher shit further down the line.
#11 at 16:56:15 - 21/02/2011
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Oh, sorry dude, thought you meant you'd finished it now. :s Well, yeah, I found that last bit tougher, but the bit you're on about had me stuck for a bit too, so it might not be as bad as I made it out.
#12 at 17:10:18 - 21/02/2011
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I've not played either of them, and now I don't want to.

I hope you guys are happy!
#13 at 17:11:51 - 21/02/2011
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Yep we are the Waldorf and Statler of PS3 gaming.
#14 at 17:13:50 - 21/02/2011
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peej said:Eek, haven't got there yet but if the 'train bit' is anything to go by, I can't see me ever finishing it if there's tougher shit further down the line.


I loved all of Killzone 2 apart from the very last boss fight. It just spams wave after wave of each class of enemy at you with too few checkpoints. It is very lazy game design and an exercise in frustration. Once you've got through that you still have the big boss to kill!

I'd still recommend the game though as the rest of the campaign is excellent.
#15 at 17:36:37 - 21/02/2011
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Sillothian said:I will pick KZ3 eventually as I did enjoy the second game, but I think I'll wait until it hits the Platinum range.


13.49 at Argos was better than Platinum price so I picked this up last week.

I am a big fan of Killzone 2 and the third game is even better. The controls are much more responsive, the level design is excellent, the graphics are still superb and there is a great variety of weapons at your disposal (my favourite being the shotgun-pistol). The difficulty is also more balanced and there is nothing as punishing as the final boss level from KZ2.

Overall it took me about 9 hours to complete the campaign on the standard difficulty setting, which is probably par for the course for a fps game. It did make me realise that if you don't play the online part of a fps there isn't enough single player gameplay to justify paying 40.
#16 at 19:18:56 - 16/10/2011
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See, the controls being more responsive seems like a terrible idea for a KZ game, to me. I can go play Copied Warfare 2.7 for "responsive controls".
#17 at 02:31:21 - 17/10/2011

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