Weird Blu Ray / TV problem with Audio


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peej
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Got a really odd problem with my telly setup and was wondering if anyone else has had similar issues.

Random DVDs / Blu Rays seem to have really muted sound. Not so much for music or sound effects but dialogue is terrible. Recent example was Inception which has been fine on my PS3 / HD telly setup upstairs but fucking awful on the new TV / blu ray player downstairs.

Anyone know of problems with sound over HDMI? I've tried tweaking settings left right and centre on the TV and the Blu Ray player but dialogue in general still seems to be really mumbly.
#1 at 10:10:42 - 09/05/2011
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More than likely to be a problem with the mixing than HDMI or something. Sure I had similar with Inception and had to change the settings. Common problem for me is effects drowning out dialogue, but that might just be my poor set up.
#2 at 15:29:55 - 09/05/2011
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Inception really was impossible to follow (didn't have the same problem through headphones, natch) but I've noticed it on a few other films too. Just really mumbly dialogue.

Try as I might, I can't seem to change the audio settings to get a good enough mix. It's infuriating as the only option seems to be to pick up a surround setup and satellite speakers, then try and somehow plumb them round the room without sodding horrible trailing wires everywhere...

/is AV noob as you can probably tell.
#3 at 15:32:25 - 09/05/2011
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Some stuff on BD, we have to crank the TV volume up to 35 (it's normally on 12 for telly or 17 for films) and that loud we get bleed through from the tv station we left it on.

Same goes for film rips on the Boxee over HDMI.
#4 at 16:22:04 - 09/05/2011
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Fecks me off as the music / sound effects are often deafening, so you crank up the volume to hear Leo Di Caprio mumbling his way through a scene only to end up with burst eardrums from the next bit of gunfire / musical interlude.

Guess I'll have to try and grab some satellite speakers / surround gear that isn't too hideous for downstairs. Don't mind having it upstairs as "the Bloke Room" is like a spaghetti junction of wires already but pisser to have to try and run lined cables around downstairs as we've only just got it not looking like a kid's playroom!
#5 at 16:31:48 - 09/05/2011
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I've had this with loads of BluRay rips recently and I think it's just down to bad mixing.
#6 at 16:33:57 - 09/05/2011
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I'd expect shitness if these were rips...this is a brand new boxed BR though.
#7 at 16:35:10 - 09/05/2011
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it's probably something in how the hardware down mixes the sound from 5.1/7.1 to stereo. I had a play with the settings in XBMC to try and adjust for it once and managed to improve it a smidge.
#8 at 17:03:31 - 09/05/2011
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Does seem odd that in every other respect, the telly has very good sound quality. While gaming or watching telly I've never noticed any shiteness (apart from the odd film or two on CH4 - who seem to mix all their audio so ads are ten times fucking louder than anything else).

Course, it doesn't exactly help that modern TVs have a tendency to mount all their speakers facing backwards.
#9 at 17:05:53 - 09/05/2011
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peej said:
Guess I'll have to try and grab some satellite speakers / surround gear that isn't too hideous for downstairs. Don't mind having it upstairs as "the Bloke Room" is like a spaghetti junction of wires already but pisser to have to try and run lined cables around downstairs as we've only just got it not looking like a kid's playroom!


Get some mini trunkingand stick it to the skirting board or just above it.
#10 at 17:07:09 - 09/05/2011
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Dunno if its the telly, the BD player or the disc, thats the problem really :)
#11 at 17:08:02 - 09/05/2011
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The mixing is fine. I've had it on a couple and it's usually because it's a different audio output type that isn't properly supported by the TV or BD player (less likely). You need to change the in-film settings to something else or think about different speakers.

Inception was fine on mine without touching anything.

What model TV/players do you have?
#12 at 20:08:59 - 09/05/2011
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Most players have an equalisation or 'night time mode', give that a shot if you can, it works by lessening the bangs and upping the dialogue.
#13 at 10:05:19 - 10/05/2011
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Most players except Sony ones.

I did find a couple of settings to tweak. Oddly though, most of the stuff can't be changed or reset while a movie's playing. Which is bloody stupid to say the least.

#14 at 09:25:47 - 12/05/2011
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It's the center channel downmixing, it's never right.
#15 at 11:57:32 - 12/05/2011
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GRRRRR

Went to a lot of trouble to rig up the cinema surround system and stuff from upstairs on the downstairs telly to see if there was any difference with Inception. There wasn't. It's just fucking mumbly all the way through unless I have the volume at a level where it would bother my sleeping daughter / the neighbours.

Only way I seem to be able to watch it and make out any dialogue is to stick headphones on. So I'm just coming to the conclusion that it's the blu ray itself and not my set up (given that all my other films sound fine even through standard speakers)

#16 at 09:00:21 - 31/05/2011
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I've found switching between PCM and Digital audio in the DVD setup can make a difference. And switching to Stereo rather than 5.1 if you're just relying on a telly. I've had that problem with loads of discs over the years - the only way I really got round it was with a surround setup where I could boost the volume of channels individually.
#17 at 19:49:15 - 31/05/2011
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Tried both of those to no effect. I've come to the same conclusion that using a surround set up downstairs full time would be the way to go - but it's unworkable because there's no way to cable between where I'd want the speakers and where the TV is.

Worked quite nice as a temporary solution though because I could just jack up the mid range (where the speech seemed to go more mumbly)

Did notice that it really is Inception that seems to be the most problematic. Absolutely no problems with the audio on Tangled (which we just bought for my nipper)
#18 at 12:06:45 - 03/06/2011
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Yeah, I had to give up the surround when we re-did the living room. Am waiting 'til we move as there are some setups with wireless rear speakers these days.
#19 at 18:27:39 - 03/06/2011

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